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Tina Lee Forsee's avatar

I don't think science as we currently understand it is capable of grasping consciousness in the full sense of that word, but IIT is the best out there. But it's still science as usual and a dead end insofar as it supposes neuronal activity of the brain is all there is to it. That's just mistaking the part for the whole. It's a rather bizarre presumption to make given IIT's starting point.

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Wyrd Smythe's avatar

I want to read two of your linked posts before I comment on panpsychism or experience. About IIT, I think it may be a necessary component but doubt it is sufficient.

Based on the one example we know is conscious — brains — I think a *physical* complex network is obviously necessary and further that synaptic connections (rather than mere interconnections) are key. (I once read a neurophysicist describe synapses as the most complex biological engine we know of.) I've long been skeptical that a software simulation of such a network would work, though LLMs do give me some pause. (If interested, I can point you to a number of posts I wrote here last year discussing why. They're in the "My Best Guess" newsletter starting last August.)

WRT group consciousness, indeed, and you might find this recent post about "bio-behavioural synchrony" interesting:

https://neuroscienceandpsy.substack.com/p/the-sandman-effect

The post is more about one-on-one synchronization, but in my comment there I asked about sporting events and political rallies as examples of many-to-many and one-to-many synchronization. It's a fascinating topic, and for me, explains a lot of life experiences.

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