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Gregorios 🇵🇸's avatar

It does not follow from your reasoning about matter and form that _everything_ is empty of intrinsic self-existence. All it shows is that the actuality of things cannot arise from either their matter nor their form, and that all finite, contingent things are all empty of intrinsic self-existence. This does not only not rule out the existence of something that is neither matter nor form, but necessitates it.

This is because interdependence cannot account for the actuality of any object. If neither A nor B in themselves have actual existence, rather they only have the potential for existence, the unity of A and B cannot be actual either, unless this unity is more than the sum of its parts. But then, since nothing can produce that which is "more" than itself, this unity itself must be given by something other than A and B. And this is the One, which is the principle of the unity of the various interdependent entities comprising the universe.

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Jim Owens's avatar

You ask if there are any logical errors or leaps in your reasoning. I noticed that you began by asking what if the Earth or planets disappeared, and then proceeded, bit by bit, to make the Sun disappear instead. This might trouble some readers. I think your point is that once you remove the properties of a thing, the effects of those properties are also removed. This is more dramatic in the case of the Sun.

Would it have worked to begin by asking what if the Sun disappeared? It would have been easier for the reader to jump ahead and realize, at least, that the planets would go spinning off. Unfortunately it would also suggest that you can't have the properties or effects of a thing without having the thing. This is certainly not what you want to suggest.

(Here I want to stop and object to the word "properties," which is a confusing reification of "effects" -- as if properties existed as "things" of some kind. I've never liked that word. I'm just going to talk about effects.)

On the other hand, do you want to suggest that you can't have a thing without having the effects -- and therefore, that there are no "things" as such, only effects? I think this may be the same misunderstanding, turned on its head. "Things" and "effects" seem to be two sides of the same coin.

Likewise when we consider finer and finer articulations of "matter" until we come to a "prime matter" which is really "no-matter," but only "effects," some sort of leap across that coin seems to be required. That may be the wrong way of looking at it -- not that there's any right way, necessarily, so kudos for trying!

I see potentiality, not as a sort of basis for being and becoming , as if it were a building-block for more of the same, but as a possibility for being and becoming, as if it were an opportunity for being to happen. I'm not sure that's any clearer. Your account at least has the benefit of offering a glimmer of what needs to be said.

Byung-Chul Han, a German-South Korean philosopher who is enjoying something of a moment, once wrote a book called _Absence_. About a year ago I read it, but I found it hard to understand. I must read it again.

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